door jlx » wo 21 feb 2007, 17:06
thanks voor al jullie reacties. Die Fred Alan Wolf weet het altijd wel mooi te formuleren
Ik heb hem in de film: What the bleep do we know gezien.
Die film geeft overigens wel een leuke inleiding over onderwerpen als deze. Maar je moet niet alles serieus nemen heb ik gemerkt.
Welk boek zou je me aanraden van die Fred Alan Wolf Schwartz?
Hij weet zaken wel helder uit te leggen opzich. (zodat mensen als mij het zelfs 'snappen')
Ik vind deze ook wel goed:
Question: What if the observer is actually conscious of all the possibilities of the coin flip (including it landing on its side like in the twilight zone, and the possibility of it falling out of space/time, and the possibility that it bursts into flame etc.). The experience that I am feeling (heads), however, is just one of these possibilities (as quantum theory suggests). But why does my reality have to be a choice, what if I am actually not making any choices at all and realizing all of these realities at different times. There is no consciousness because there is no choice, I am not actually discriminating anything, I am a cog in a much larger overall discrimination.
My question of coarse regards consciousness. I am a fan of Daniel Dennett and heterophenomenology which posits that consciousness doesnt exist as a sincere entity. In relation to quantum physics, it seems that we are forced to believe in an observer, because without one, we have no world. However, why are we dedicated to positing an observer. Why couldnt we suggest that in this reality, or this one of many realities, that the principles of light, and how light interacts with atoms results in this process. The observer, as it were, is not there. Rather, what is there is an organism that has been designed to project light towards atoms over time. The observer is our misconception that light directed outwards denotes a being, when it actually just denotes a principle of mechanics.
Moreover, if everything that can happen does happen, than isnt therefore true that consciousness is unreal because it could be?
Answer: Thanks for your interesting question and your views on Dennetts work. I also admire his work, although I believe its not taking into account quantum physics principles but only those of classical deterministic physics and Darwinism.
To really understand the problem of consciousness you will need to grasp that physics does not explain the action of an observer. Modeling what an observer does has been in the works for a long time. I am working on several ideas myself based on some new ideas called weak measurements which might explain how different observers often do not see the same things.
Now quantum physics predicts that according to von Neumanns model of quantum physical observation an observer interacts with an observed in such a manner that the observers state and the observed state become correlated. Let me use a flipped coin as an example. That means if the observer sees heads the coin will be showing heads AND if the observer sees tails the coin will show tails. However quantum physics tells us that BOTH of these possibilities must exist simultaneously. In other words, the observer has split into two worlds a heads world and a tails world.
Yet the observer is conscious of only one world either heads or tails. That is the mystery. No physics explains that. Hence consciousness cannot be explained by current physics. Hence since I believe we all feel we are conscious beings, but what makes that happen? For more on this I suggest you read any of my latest books or listen to my audio CDs. Here is a list to look at: The Dreaming Universe , The Spiritual Universe . Mind into Matter, Matter into Feeling, The Yoga of Time Travel, and Dr. Quantum Presents: A Users Guide to Your Universe.
thanks voor al jullie reacties. Die Fred Alan Wolf weet het altijd wel mooi te formuleren :)
Ik heb hem in de film: What the bleep do we know gezien.
Die film geeft overigens wel een leuke inleiding over onderwerpen als deze. Maar je moet niet alles serieus nemen heb ik gemerkt.
Welk boek zou je me aanraden van die Fred Alan Wolf Schwartz?
Hij weet zaken wel helder uit te leggen opzich. (zodat mensen als mij het zelfs 'snappen')
Ik vind deze ook wel goed:
[quote]Question: What if the observer is actually conscious of all the possibilities of the coin flip (including it landing on its side like in the twilight zone, and the possibility of it falling out of space/time, and the possibility that it bursts into flame etc.). The experience that I am feeling (heads), however, is just one of these possibilities (as quantum theory suggests). But why does my reality have to be a choice, what if I am actually not making any choices at all and realizing all of these realities at different times. There is no consciousness because there is no choice, I am not actually discriminating anything, I am a cog in a much larger overall discrimination.
My question of coarse regards consciousness. I am a fan of Daniel Dennett and heterophenomenology which posits that consciousness doesnt exist as a sincere entity. In relation to quantum physics, it seems that we are forced to believe in an observer, because without one, we have no world. However, why are we dedicated to positing an observer. Why couldnt we suggest that in this reality, or this one of many realities, that the principles of light, and how light interacts with atoms results in this process. The observer, as it were, is not there. Rather, what is there is an organism that has been designed to project light towards atoms over time. The observer is our misconception that light directed outwards denotes a being, when it actually just denotes a principle of mechanics.
Moreover, if everything that can happen does happen, than isnt therefore true that consciousness is unreal because it could be?
Answer: Thanks for your interesting question and your views on Dennetts work. I also admire his work, although I believe its not taking into account quantum physics principles but only those of classical deterministic physics and Darwinism.
To really understand the problem of consciousness you will need to grasp that physics does not explain the action of an observer. Modeling what an observer does has been in the works for a long time. I am working on several ideas myself based on some new ideas called weak measurements which might explain how different observers often do not see the same things.
Now quantum physics predicts that according to von Neumanns model of quantum physical observation an observer interacts with an observed in such a manner that the observers state and the observed state become correlated. Let me use a flipped coin as an example. That means if the observer sees heads the coin will be showing heads AND if the observer sees tails the coin will show tails. However quantum physics tells us that BOTH of these possibilities must exist simultaneously. In other words, the observer has split into two worlds a heads world and a tails world.
Yet the observer is conscious of only one world either heads or tails. That is the mystery. No physics explains that. Hence consciousness cannot be explained by current physics. Hence since I believe we all feel we are conscious beings, but what makes that happen? For more on this I suggest you read any of my latest books or listen to my audio CDs. Here is a list to look at: The Dreaming Universe , The Spiritual Universe . Mind into Matter, Matter into Feeling, The Yoga of Time Travel, and Dr. Quantum Presents: A Users Guide to Your Universe. [/quote]